The Side of Truth: The facts are stacked against conservatives

The conservatives who have so valiantly come to the aid of Marcus Kindley over the past week have every right to stick up for what they believe and help defend one of their leaders. Just like I appreciate the support I’ve gotten and that the NC Advocacy Coalition has gotten, I commend the conservatives for their willingness to state their case and defend it and appreciate their support of Mr. Kindley during this debate, even though I might disagree. (Now for all those people who have gone to personal attacks – on either side of the issue – you all need to stop and stay on the issues. Personal attacks do nothing but show you don’t have the ability to form rational, logical arguments which are on topic).

While defending your point of view might be a good thing, taking a look at the facts is also good. In this debate, however, the facts are stacked against conservatives.

The terms “homosexuality” and “pedophilia” should never be related or compared to one another. Normal, healthy homosexual (as well as heterosexual) relations are in no way connected to pedophilia and the abuse of children. Furthermore, we can continue to argue of the naturalness of this, the un-naturalness of that, but none of these arguments will do us any good during our current debate. It doesn’t matter what is natural (by which some mean “normal”) or what is natural (meaning, “naturally-occuring within this world”). All that matters is that two concepts (and groups of people) have been related to each other, equated and compared, when the facts clearly state that neither of them should be.

It is time to just get down to the facts (a.k.a. THE TRUTH).


Symptoms of this sexual disorder, as defined by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition (DSM-IV):

This disorder is characterized by either intense sexually arousing fantasies, urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child (typically age 13 or younger). To be considered for this diagnosis, the individual must be at least 16 years old and at least 5 years older than the child.

Homosexuality, Heterosexuality & Sexual Orientation

As defined by the American Psychological Association, the nation’s leading scientific and psychologic body:

Sexual Orientation is an enduring emotional, romantic, sexual or affectional attraction to another person. It is easily distinguished from other components of sexuality including biological sex, gender identity (the psychological sense of being male or female) and the social gender role (adherence to cultural norms for feminine and masculine behavior).

Sexual orientation exists along a continuum that ranges from exclusive homosexuality to exclusive heterosexuality and includes various forms of bisexuality. Bisexual persons can experience sexual, emotional and affectional attraction to both their own sex and the opposite sex. Persons with a homosexual orientation are sometimes referred to as gay (both men and women) or as lesbian (women only).

Sexual orientation is different from sexual behavior because it refers to feelings and self-concept. Persons may or may not express their sexual orientation in their behaviors.

So what is the obvious difference between our two very different concepts here?

While pedophilia is a psychological and sexual disorder, it is also a phenomena based primarily in a person’s sexual attraction to age (not gender/sex), that age being typically 13 or younger (pre-puberty). (A good example of this is one of the offenders from Dateline’s “To Catch a Predator” who is a repeat offender and has a history of offending both males and females, without regard to gender – see end of post for more information)

Homosexuality on the other hand (like heterosexuality) is an attraction to another person, based on various levels and not purely sexual.

Pedophilia is crime, homosexuality is not. Pedophilia causes damage and harm to child victims (mentaly, sexually and physically) and forces the victims to engage in behaviors against their will either through inability to give informed/mature consent (coersion) or physical force (rape). On the other hand, in normal and healthy homosexual relationships between two consenting adults, neither party is harmed, abused or damaged (mentally, sexually or physically), just as in normal and healthy heterosexual relationships.

So is there a link between pedophilia and homosexuality?

Absolutely not. In many cases pedophiles are just that: pedophiles. They are not gay or straight and they have an inherent inability to form true and meaningful sexual, romantic, emotional and healthy relationships with adults. The nature of the pedophillic disorder is that individuals are attracted to or engage in behaviors with prepubescent children. The very nature of this disorder is of the most perverse and repulsive crimes against children and humanity.

Well, what about all the people who say gay men are more likely to molest children?

To put it simply: They are wrong. Almost every major social, scientific and psychological association in the United States has stated there is no link between homosexuality and pedophilia. Here is just one study, out of thousands, which helps to prove this point:

In a review of 352 medical records of children evaluated for sexual abuse during a 12-month period at a Denver children’s hospital, Dr. Carole Jenny (1994) found that less than one percent of the abused children in her study were abused by a gay man or a lesbian. Of 269 adult perpetrators of child abuse identified among the 352 cases of abuse, only two (or 0.07 percent) were gay or lesbian. Jenny noted that the vast majority of the children in the sample, or 82 percent, “were suspected of being abused by a man or a woman who was, or had been, in a heterosexual relationship with a relative of the child.” Jenny concluded that in this sample, “a child’s risk of being molested by his or her relative’s heterosexual partner is over 100 times greater than by someone who might be identifiable as being homosexual, lesbian, or bisexual.”

Jenny, C. and Roesler, T. A. (1994). Are children at risk for sexual abuse by homosexuals? Pediatrics, 94(1), 41-44.

It is important to note here that just because the offenders “was, or had been, in a heterosexual relationship” does not mean that person was any less pedophillic or any more heterosexual. Remember that people who are clinically pedophillic have an inherent inability to form meaningful adult relationships (which is why many sexual predators are often repeat offenders, as they continue to seek forming sexual relationships with children).


The facts are very clear. Homosexuality and pedophilia are in no way related and can in no way be equated or compared. Comparing or equating homosexuality and pedophilia makes little sense, is un-scientific and absolutely un-factual.

The facts are definitely stacked against the conservatives on this one. Sorry guys and gals.

Dateline’s “To Catch a Predator” – Thomas Bodnar, 42 years old

Bodnar was caught by Dateline attempting to have sex with a 13 year old boy, but as it turns out this is not the first offense in which he has been involved. 20 years ago Bodnar molested three siblings (in order of age): a mentally-handicapped boy, a young girl and the younger brother of the two. The abuse started with the oldest and lessened as Bodnar began to molest the younger children. See Dateline website for more details (and scroll down about half way down the page).

Disclaimer: I am a college student, not a doctor, psychologist, counsellor or clinical specialist. My writings here are based off my education, reading, study and limited research. This post should not be considered to be of any substantive medical or psychological weight and persons interested in this material are urged to refer to the cited websites and texts, as well as other sources which may be found online or in libraries, which were compiled by medical and psychological professionals with far more experience in these topics and fields. Medical and psychological professionals, or individuals specializing in these topics or fields, are urged to comment on this post and provide more sources, better informed and educated thoughts and opinions and/or corrections/clarifications to my post.

5 Responses to “The Side of Truth: The facts are stacked against conservatives”
  1. Matt says:

    Oh… there aren’t any replies yet. I guess you really can’t argue with facts, huh?

  2. Dang Matt! I guess we all got argued out. There is one argument that none of us mentioned about pedophilia that has a bearing on several fronts… The Boy Scout thing. This goes for straight and gay men. If we are wise, we don’t put ourselves in a position to be accused of sexual abuse.

    A man alone shouldn’t take a few teenage girls camping or on an overnight trip- and a gay man shouldn’t be in a similar pedicament with teenage boys. Its not that the man in either case is deviant or remotely guilty- often teens are discovering sexuality and act inappropriately- or they may just make up stories. Regardless, when someone is falsely accused of sexual abuse, the damage is done.

  3. Matt says:

    “This goes for straight and gay men. If we are wise, we don’t put ourselves in a position to be accused of sexual abuse. A man alone shouldn’t take a few teenage girls camping or on an overnight trip- and a gay man shouldn’t be in a similar pedicament with teenage boys.”

    Following that logic, added in with the fact that the 99% of the offenders in Dr. Carol Jenny’s study were straight, that means you shouldn’t let straight men take teenage boys on camping trips either.

    There is no reason that a gay man can’t be in charge of a Boy Scout troop, just as there is no reason a straight man can’t. All you are doing by saying gay men can’t do that is pushing the idea that gay men will be more likely to molest the children.

  4. Matt, its doing no such thing. And since the gay population is a tiny percentage (1-3%) of the male population, it follows that 99% of molesters are heterosexual.

  5. Matt says:

    The percentage is actually closer to 3-4%, and those numbers aren’t even as near as large as they should probably be… so in Jenny’s study, don’t you think it should have been 3-4% instead of less than 1% ?

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