Gay Jesus


Yeah… not really. It’s a shocking title though, huh?
While looking at an article on a new book which re-tells Jesus’ life (as Jesus as the narrator) in a very sexual way (including both gay and straight and spiritual sexual relationships) and later looking up more information on the book, I ran across a wonderful artist.

While I personally (and I stress the word “personally”) think the book on Jesus’ wacky sexual escapades is nothing more than heresy at its worst, I am already in love with at least one piece of art created by artist Becki Jayne Harrelson.

A few days ago, I posted a lengthy commentary on the extreme rates of homelessness among LGBT youth in America. In the commentary, I got a little preachy (like I’ll probably do again this time) and included a passage from Scripture: Matthew 25:34-46 (Jesus’ “least of these” sermon).

The piece (to the right) I have just fallen in love with by Harrelson, The Crucifixion of Christ (oil on canvas, 78″ W x 68″ H), is absolutely, without a question, a perfect, strong representation of exactly what I feel Christ was meaning to tell those persons listening to his “least of these” sermon.

On her website, Harrelson states in a narrative of the work:

When you view The Crucifixion of Christ, you miss the primary point if you think I’m saying Jesus was gay. Look at the word FAGGOT on the cross. You could substitute the word NIGGER, JEW BOY, HONKIE, REDNECK or BITCH—it all means the same. Anytime anyone rises up in condemnation, hatred or violence against another, Christ is crucified.

I chose the word FAGGOT because today, gays are socially-acceptable and religiously-justifiable targets for hate. And, just like gays, Jesus was made a hate target in his time because he dared to be different, to tell his understanding of the truth even though his words and his position defied the religious establishment.

We all are created by God to be who we are, including gays and lesbians. It’s just as natural and spiritually correct to be gay as it is to be left-handed.

Take a good look at Harrelson’s painting. Take another good read at her narrative on it. Now… read again the Scripture from Matthew 25: 34-46 NRSV:

“…Then the king will say to those at his right hand, ‘Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me.’ Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord when was it that we saw you hungry and gave you food, or thirsty and gave you something to drink? And when was it that we saw you a stranger and welcomed you, or naked and gave you clothing? And when was it that we saw you sick or in prison and visited you?’ And the king will answer them, ‘Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family, you did it to me.’ Then he will say to those at his left hand, ‘You that are accursed, depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not give me clothing, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ Then they also will answer, ‘Lord when was it that we saw you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and we did not take care of you?’ Then he will answer them, ‘Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Do you hear anything? Feel anything? You should… even if you aren’t a Christian.

Because this message is so strong, it transcends lines of faith and lines of belief. Whatever you do to “the least” of our world’s family, you do to God… and you do to Jesus. If you aren’t the religious type, the message is similar: Whatever you do to “the least” of our world’s family, you do to someone else… for each person is inextricably bound to another; we are all interconnected and interdependent upon each other. When one is hurt, all are hurt. As Wilbur depended on Charlotte and her web, we all depend on each other for life, for joy, for happiness & survival… a huge web of humanity.

Whatever you do to “the least,” you do also to Christ. This painting is such a perfect portrayal of this teaching.

Before now, I don’t think I could have ever really named a “favorite” piece of art… at least not any that weren’t a part of everyone’s favorites (David, The Last Supper, The ceiling of the Sistine Chapel, etc.). I can now say that The Crucifixion of Christ is my favorite piece of art… without a doubt.

People ask me how I could have held on to my belief in Christ after being rejected by His church. Look at the painting and you’ll find your answer. When I suffer, Christ suffers. When I am happy, Christ is happy. When I cry, Christ cries. When I am called a “fag,” Christ hears it directed toward him as well. When politicians and the government tell me I’m not equal, they say it also to Christ. That is why I still believe. Christ truly is a “Personal Saviour.” He’s with you every day, all the time and He’ll never forsake you.

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40 Responses to “Gay Jesus”
  1. Hey, I’m glad you share my love for Becki Jayne Harrelson’s art. I don’t think you should dismiss my novel so easily. It’s not about “Jesus’ wacky sexual escapades.” I’m hoping to reconnect mind/body/spirit by writing in a beautiful way about all. Here’s what Rev. Mel White had to say about my novel JESUS IN LOVE:

    “Kitt Cherry has broken through the stained-glass barrier. Don’t be afraid. This is not a prurient look at the sex life of Jesus, but a classic re-telling of the greatest story ever told, the story of a truly human Jesus and those truly human women and men who lived, laughed and loved with him. Read Jesus in Love and you will feel His Spirit reaching out to you.”

    Anyway, thanks for caring, and merry Christmas.

  2. Matt says:

    Hey Kitt…

    Thanks for the comment. I completely understand the thoughts behind your novel and I commend you for it. Although I could be wrong, because I haven’t read the book, I just don’t think it is right to portray Jesus as a promiscuous, sexual being, which is (from what I’ve gathered from writings about your novel) how He is portrayed. Don’t get me wrong… I’m not trying to disrespect you or your novel and, who knows, I might have the chance to read it one day (something I would gladly do). I just don’t agree with the portrayal (but don’t take that as me saying I’d stop you from doing it or that you don’t have the right to).

    Thanks again,

    Matt

  3. Matt says:

    PS – Maybe when I read your novel my views on it will change. Thanks again and Merry Christmas to you, too.

  4. I’m glad you’re open to actually reading JESUS IN LOVE before judging it. You say it’s not right to portray Jesus as a sexual being, but according to Christian faith he was fully human as well as fully divine. That’s what I believe. Being human, he must have had sexual feelings. Don’t you think so??? The idea that everything sexual is somehow bad or un-Christian ends up causing a lot of problems.

    The real question is, how did Jesus/God deal with the sexual part of being human? That’s what I try to explore in JESUS IN LOVE, in the context of the familiar Gospel story. I wouldn’t say I portrayed Jesus as promiscuous, but he does feel erotic attractions to both John and Mary Magdalene… and primarily to God, like the medieval Christian mystics did.

    Since you like Becki Jayne Harrelson’s art, you might like to know that her work will be featured at a Festival of Spiritual Progressive Art in Taos, New Mexico, this May. There will be an art show at JHS Gallery there and a book launch event for my next book ART THAT DARES: GAY JESUS, WOMAN CHRIST AND MORE. Becki Jayne will be in the show and the book.

    Before replying, I read about you on this blog. You’ve done a lot to help queer people! That can be a thankless job sometimes, but I thank you.

  5. Matt says:

    Thanks Kitt. Thank you also for the work you’ve done. Thanks also for the information on the art show, but I doubt I’ll be able to make it to New Mexico for it.

    I don’t think that it is a bad thing to discuss Jesus’ sexuality, because I agree with you: Jesus was fully human and fully divine and had to have had sexual feelings. I’ve also said to some people that whether Jesus was married or not really has no bearing on his divinity; Christ could have been married and still lived sinless.

    The part about erotic attraction to God, though… that bothers me? Wouldn’t that be both self-love and incest?

    Again, thanks (I’m really enjoying this short conversation we’re having by the way).

  6. Dan says:

    I know, as a Christian that I need to love my neighbor as myself and to pray for my enemies, and I can honestly say that this makes alot of sense. Yet there is one thing that bugs me about this blog of yours…

    “We all are created by God to be who we are, including gays and lesbians. It’s just as natural and spiritually correct to be gay as it is to be left-handed.”

    This site if I’m not incorrect is to support Gays, Lesbians, Bisexuals, and Transgenders.

    Wait a minute… Transgenders? Didn’t Kitty just say,(and you agree with her) “We all are created by God to be who we are”? This is exactally what transgenders are not! Answers.com depicts transgender as,

    “Any person who feels their assigned gender does not completely or adequately reflect their internal gender, such as a biological male who perceives himself to be female.”

    So what do this mean then? That God made a mistake when creating them “to be who (they) are”?

  7. Matt, Your question about whether it is “incest or self-love” for Jesus to feel erotic love for God is almost an exact quote of a question that Mary Magdalene raises in my novel JESUS IN LOVE.

    The erotic connection with God is right in the Bible, although we tend to ignore it in our sex-negative society. Here’s a prophecy from Isaiah that Jesus is pondering near the start of the novel JESUS IN LOVE:

    “As the bridegroom rejoices over the bride, so shall your God rejoice over you.” (Isaiah 62:5)

    Then there’s the Song of Songs, which begins, “O that you would kiss me with the kisses of your mouth!” And that whole book of the Bible continues as a love poem that has been traditionally interpreted to express the love between God and the church (that is, people).

    As for transgenders, I think that God created all people with a blend of what we label “masculine” or “feminine” qualities. It’s OUR mistake to try to force people to into rigid gender stereotypes of “male” or “female.”

    I’m enjoying this conversation, too!

  8. Matt says:

    Dan… Does God “make a mistake” when a child is born with an abnormality or malformity that must be corrected? No, He does not. Stuff happens. It isn’t a perfect world; we don’t live in Eden anymore.

    I’m not trying to say that being transgendered is an abnormality or malformity in the sense that it would be “twisted” or “sick” or “un-natural,” but what I am saying is that children are born with problems that must be later corrected. There are also many, many children who are born with genetalia that are not clearly male or female. Many times these children undergo “gender reassignment” being only days old. Of course, the doctors pick whichever sex is easiest to turn the genetalia into.

    Now I’m sure someone will argue with that last point and say that “oh, that can’t happen all that often,” but it does. If I’m remembering correctly from my sexuality class, it happens to one out of every 1000 children born. Also, Dan… did you know that many people are not exactly XX or XY? You, yes you, may be XXY XXYY or XXXY or even more.

    Kitt… I don’t think you got what I was saying. I know that the Bible itself does have parts in which God’s love is COMPARED to erotic love (because of erotic’s love natural, extreme intimacy). These are, in my opinion comparisons and metaphors. My real point was this: Jesus is God. Jesus is the Son of God. If Jesus has erotic attractions to God, then he has erotic attractions toward Himself and (for the incest part) toward His Father. This isn’t the same as the few Christians who take literally the erotic connection between themselves and God, for they are not the actual incarnate God and Son as Jesus was/is.

    Now… I don’t know if that came out clear and understandable or if I just totally lost you. Hopefully it’s the first one. lol

  9. Dan says:

    Alright, so God creates us to be who we are, and one of us comes with a deformity. (Let’s say 3 fingers) Then this is who God made that person to be “John Smith with 3 fingers” This may make John Smiths live a lot harder (considering he can’t pick things up so easy) But that is who he is. Sure there are ways around this like artifical fingers, (are there such things?) but something like changing his/her gender is not helping yourself pick up items, but moreover it is changing who you are to who you think you would rather be; and honestly Matt, whose opinion is more important and correct, Ours or Gods?

  10. Matt says:

    “and honestly Matt, whose opinion is more important and correct, Ours or Gods?”

    Dan, unlike Kitt and I, you aren’t coming here interested in wanting to further discussion and rational debate and conversation. Instead, your sole interest is to argue and to preach.

    Your little “whose opinion is more important and correct, Ours or Gods?” comment does nothing to address the millions of people who do not match exactly XX or XY.

  11. Sarah says:

    Be careful with your condescending, Matt. . .”little” is a big word.

    Insofar as the rest of these comments, i’d be really interested in reading that book. Some of the schools that i went to went so far as to say that sex was even kind of icky within marriage unless the reason was for procreation, so i’d be really interested in what is to be said about Jesus’ sexuality. You know as well as anyone i’m not really into the whole Christianity thing, but i’m pretty sure Jesus was a real person, and sexuality is a big part of people’s lives (as you well know) and very few people have anything to say about Jesus’.

    i don’t know that this was touched on, but i’m curious as to what you’d have to say about this. . .apparently, in this book, there is mention of Jesus involved in homosexual attractions, etc. (correct me if i’m wrong.) Would you put that into the “wacky sexual escapades”? Would Jesus not be allowed to have homosexual instances? If not, why not?

    Finally, i’d like to comment on Dan’s comment. i don’t think he’s preaching and really, how many of your blog posts don’t have people arguing about one thing or another? In my opinion, his “whose opinion” comment is kind of right. At the risk of having things thrown at me by every trans_________ person ever, i can see the point. His comment is directed at people who are male or female deciding they need to be the other sex. People who don’t match XX or XY don’t really have anything to do with that particular argument. For the most part, i’m guessing they aren’t trying to change into anything that they’re not. They just don’t fit into neat categories (remember history class?) Trans______ people are changing from one set thing into another. People with mismatched genes just don’t fit into categories that society has set.

  12. Matt says:

    Dang it, Sarah. lol. You can’t even let me set the tone of the debate or frame the debate on my on terms at all can you? lol

    I’ll answer all your questions and respond to all your comments when I have more time to sit down, read them more carefully and write a response. We’ve got family over and I’ve got to head to Mass soon, so… Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays everyone!

  13. Sarah says:

    i do what i can.

    Merry Christmas, Matt.

  14. Sarah says:

    Also, on a completely unrelated note, you never did send me the website so i could get into the account you made for me on this site. . .

  15. In my novel JESUS IN LOVE, Jesus in his humanity is not erotically attracted to God the Father, but rather to the Holy Spirit. These divine realities can seem odd, like incest, when we try hard to define them. God as Three-in-One/Trinity defies logic. I attempt to get at this reality through poetic, literary writing. Maybe an excerpt can demonstrate this better than an explanation. Jesus is speaking:

    “Each of us was both Lover and Beloved as everything in me found in the Holy Spirit its complement, its reflection, its twin. We took turns switching roles and switching genders.”

  16. Matt says:

    “God as Three-in-One/Trinity defies logic. I attempt to get at this reality…”

    Kitt… I couldn’t AGREE with you more. The Trinity does defy logic. The existence of God Himself defies logic: For example, how is it logical that one and only one single lifeforce is responsible for all creation? How could one and only one single lifeforce take care of it all? That isn’t logical. The Resurrection of Christ isn’t logical. Abraham offering his only son as a sacrafice at the bequest of God isn’t logical. The plagues of Egypt aren’t logical. “Eternity” (in either “Paradise” or “Hell”) isn’t logical. I could go on. All of these things and more do not fit into human logic, as they shouldn’t. Human logic and intellect can never compare to the wondrous, divine knowledge and power of our God.

    “Each of us was both Lover and Beloved as everything in me found in the Holy Spirit its complement, its reflection, its twin. We took turns switching roles and switching genders.”

    I LOVE IT!!! I also agree with this, as I also believe that God and the Holy Spirit are everything, all the time. Although I am most comfortable referring to God as “He” and as “King” (because, for whatever reason, this is how I, personally, can relate to God), I still believe that if all humankind were created “both male and female” in “His image” then God must have aspects of both masculinity and femininity. Gender and sex are human characteristics and aspects, not divine ones. How could God be but one gender? How could God be anything human? He isn’t.

    The Holy Spirit is neither male or female, for… it is a SPIRIT and nothing more.

    Again, I understand the position from which you are coming. I understand your thoughts and beliefs. In many respects, I agree with you. I still take issue with, however, any erotic or sexual connection or attraction in and between God and the Trinity (that is, the Father, Son & Holy Spirit).

    Moving on…

    Sarah said… “there is mention of Jesus involved in homosexual attractions, etc. (correct me if i’m wrong.) Would you put that into the “wacky sexual escapades”? Would Jesus not be allowed to have homosexual instances? If not, why not?”

    Yes… I would put Jesus’ homosexual attractions in the category of “wacky sexual escapades,” just as I would put his straight attractions and actions. No, I do not personally believe it would have been wrong if Christ lived in a monogamous, committed (a.k.a. marriage) life with a person of the same sex, just as I would not say it would have been wrong for Him to do the same thing with a person of the opposite sex. After all, I do not believe homosexuality to be a sin.

    Christ could well have lived a married life (or a life in a committed, monogamous same-sex relationship) and still have lived a sinless, perfect life. He could not have lived a sinless, perfect life, however, if He lived a life of sexual promiscuity, which I do believe is a sin (although I do not hold anyone, with the exclusion of myself, in judgment if they are guilty of this or any other sin).

    Do I think Jesus was tempted? Yes. Do I think Jesus may have been tempted to sleep with someone other than the person to whom He was married (if He was married)? Yes. Is it a sin to be tempted? No. Therefore, could Christ have been tempted to sleep with, for example, John when and if He was married to Mary Magdelene and still come out not doing such a thing and resisting sin? Yes. And the reason why I believe all of this: Christ was fully human (tendency to sin or be tempted to sin) and fully divine (sinless & perfect).

    Now… since I’ve hit on it, sort of. I do not have an answer as to whether Christ was or was not married or involved in one, single life-long, committed & monogamous relationship. I have no belief either way on the issue. Is it possible that He was married? You bet it is. The Bible neither affirms such a thing and neither does it deny it. Therefore, we cannot and will not ever know the answer to this one question… at least until the end (when “all shall be revealed” and our “eyes opened” by God).

    Does all this sound wacky & illogical? Again… You bet. Is God and His existence sane or logical (in human understanding)? Nope. Can we, as mere mortals, ever hope to fully understand His Divine Plan for creation? Nope (again, at least not until the end). Can we try our best to understand with our limited minds and limited “logic” as to what God meant for each of us individually and creation as a whole? Yes… and we should.

    Are any of us free from sin and in a place of judgment over another? No we are not, because we are all guilty of doing something wrong… doing something that should not have ever been done… either to our own selves or to another living creature. This is why I love conversations and discussions (not arguments) like these, for they allow each of us to come to the same point, on a level playing ground, and discuss our feelings, thoughts, beliefs and convictions without fear of anger, retribution or self-righteous judgment (a.k.a. It creates a very open, very accessible point at which to discuss these horribly in-depth, complex and, sometimes, emotional issues and questions).

    Am I starting to preach and sound the “Reverend Matt”? You bet… and because of that I’m stopping now. lol

  17. Becki Jayne says:

    Matt,

    I am deeply humbled by your high praise. You are an inspiration to quicken my commitment to the art I paint.

    Thank you so much.

  18. This is exactly the kind of dialogue that I hoped to foster when I decided to publish my novel JESUS IN LOVE.

    Thanks for your thoughtful explanation, Matt. I agree with your commitment to monogamy. But what about the multiple attractions/temptations that a person faces BEFORE deciding to enter into any committed relationship? Is that “promiscuous”? That is the position of Jesus in my novel… although he is committed to God.

  19. Matt says:

    Hi Becky… thanks so much for the work you do. I hope you don’t mind that I posted a photo of one of your works. I made sure to cite you as much as I could for it.

    Kitt… Maybe I should just read your book. Maybe I’m just taking my perceptions from the way that the media and press and others have portrayed it. I’m sure I’d have a better grasp of your writings if I actually read them myself. Has the book already been released? How much does it cost? Admittedly, I don’t buy many books for recreational purposes (as I spend money on books usually buying ones required for school), but I think I’ll have to give this one a shot (I think the last new book I bought for recreational purposes was Angels & Demons, before that I received The DaVinci Code as a gift).

  20. Becki Jayne says:

    Hi again, Matt,

    Had a moment tonight so thought I would check back. First, no problem on the image. You’re covered under “fair use.”

    Let me also weigh in on “Jesus In Love,” by Kittredge Cherry. I have read it and it’s superb! In fact, I wouldn’t call Kitt”s novel a book. It’s fine literature and masterfully written. You can find it at Amazon. Just type in “Kittredge Cherry” under the “book” category and it will appear along with other Cherry works. In fact, Kitt has also written a great coming out guide, “Hide And Speak,” that I can also highly recommend.

    Take care, Matt, and God bless.

  21. Matt, I’m honored that JESUS IN LOVE may be among your rare recreational book purchases. Becki Jayne pretty much said it all. Amazon.com is the place to buy JESUS IN LOVE. It’s normally $18.95, but they discounted it to a mere $12.89. It’s in stock now.

    Your bio says you’re a poli sci major. My life partner also majored in political science, and I remember her heavy reading load. (We were college sweethearts, still together after 30 years.)

  22. Dan says:

    I know this is a litttle belated, but I feel I need to say this for any future posting purposes.

    Matt says:

    Dan, unlike Kitt and I, you aren’t coming here interested in wanting to further discussion and rational debate and conversation. Instead, your sole interest is to argue and to preach.

    Dan Says:

    I’m sorry if I came off that way to you, but no I am not here to talk down to you or “preach.” I have an interest in fully understanding the moral dillema that is sweeping this nation. I will do my best to gather information from both sides without “preaching”.

    Now on that note, if you think your up to it, could you explain to me what you think (being a Christian, who believes the Bible) (I’m sure)
    of this:

    Romans 1: 21-26

    21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

    24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

    26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

    Wow says alot there. I’ll tell you what I get out of this.

    It’s say that mankind forsake God, worshipped Idols and their hearts were darkened. So God gave them into their shameful desires.
    These shameful desires are included as Men with Men “unnatural” relationships.

    And if you look at the last line it say that received the penalty for there perversions…

    Sounds like to me that Homosexuality is not the way God created some of us, but it is part of the Sin we have received from Adam. So we get punished with Homosexuality for foesaking God. To me it looks like Homosexuality is a curse!

    Once again, I am just trying to figure this thing out. I hope you can answer me what you think of the Bible passages.

    Dan

  23. spencer says:

    Jesus and Mary definetly had a kid and I am an atheist that felt nothing for that little poem about the lord

  24. Matt says:

    Spencer… After I quoted the Scripture and said one should feel something, I also said, “Because this message is so strong, it transcends lines of faith and lines of belief. Whatever you do to “the least” of our world’s family, you do to God… and you do to Jesus. If you aren’t the religious type, the message is similar: Whatever you do to “the least” of our world’s family, you do to someone else… for each person is inextricably bound to another; we are all interconnected and interdependent upon each other. When one is hurt, all are hurt. As Wilbur depended on Charlotte and her web, we all depend on each other for life, for joy, for happiness & survival… a huge web of humanity.”

    You don’t agree… We aren’t all inextricably intertwined and one person’s hurt and pain doesn’t affect other people, ever?

    Wow… you aren’t atheist…. You are heartless.

    PS – The “poem” was not about the Lord… it was about how we, as humans, treat each other.

  25. Spencer says:

    I am not Heartless and whats up with the you aren’t atheist when I said I am.

    Moron

  26. Spencer says:

    You are a Moron and religious people should not post the truths about the lies in their religion.

    Spencer “the smart one” my nickname

  27. Spencer says:

    Is Sarah the daughter of Christ? If you say no I want a website with cold hard facts

  28. Matt says:

    Spencer, I think you have me, the gay, moderately liberal, Christian, confused with the zealots of the right-wing church. Could Christ have had a child? Of course. Would it change my belief in him as saviour? No… because whether or not he had children isn’t central to the faith. There are many things not central to the faith. If it were proved Jesus did not have a physical resurrection, that would also not be central to the faith, because his resurrection could have been spiritual.

    You need to stop attacking those Christians who aren’t attacking you. I don’t attack atheists because they are atheists. Please stop attacking me because I am a Christian and please stop attacking my faith.

  29. Spencer says:

    I say that it is a central part of your religion because Jesus in the Bible is a God not a man like he was because the gospels that said he was a man were destroyed mostly and hidden.

    Your fiath is a bunch of lies —slur edited out— (MHC)

  30. Matt says:

    I do not appreciate the use of anti-gay slurs on my website. Thank you.

  31. Spencer says:

    how dare you edit my slur. you are a hypocrit to believe that things that are against your religion and being gay is also hypocrisy towards christianity.
    so is god man or not and christians attack me every time they sing the national anthem (in one nation under god) god is not real and you worship a false god.

    ha! ha!

  32. Matt says:

    Too bad “one nation under god” isn’t a phrase that in our national anthem.

  33. Spencer says:

    pledge of alegience same difference and besides god is in so many songs that the US is almost not secular

    still have not answered my question about god’s divinity

  34. Matt says:

    Guess you don’t know how to read huh? I’ve answered your question thoroughly in the post and in the comment thread. Read=Good exercise for your brain.

  35. Spencer says:

    where are those answers and why aren’t they posted here

    PS my email is fake

    HA HA

  36. Matt says:

    Read the answers you want right here in this comment thread. If you actually took the time to read the post and the comment thread you would already have my answer to your question.

    Gosh… a bit lazy, are we?

    PS – Why would I care if your email is fake? Do you know how many people leave comments with fake emails? It happens all the time. Your stupidity is amazing.

  37. Joe T. says:

    Spencer: I generally don’t like butting in on two other guys in a debate, but I’ve found that Christianity is vast and varied. It ranges from the different Protestant sects, to Roman Catholicism, to Greek and Russian Orthodoxy, etc. It also encompasses brilliant people of the highest intellects down to total dummies. Maybe you had some bad experiences with so-called “Christians” and you’re taking it out on Matt? Because even if you were to believe his beliefs were bogus, I can’t see that he uses them in any way to harm people. Only for good use.

  38. Spencer says:

    Christianity the lies behind the truths

    Is Christianity lies or is it truth? That is the question I’ve been asking and I’ve found lies on top of lies. So is Christianity a lie? Christianity is like other religions it started off explaining science with miracles and continued to grow and made it’s message love. Christianity is 2050 years at least of lies to explain science.
    What did the pope call the Mary Magdalene? What did Peter show towards Mary? And Who made the Bible? The pope called Mary a prostitute thats right he called the woman that saw Jesus die and be resurrected a prostitute which was later said false. Peter was always jealous of Mary and said did he choose her over us because Jesus had said she would continue the church. The bible was made by man and edited by the Council of Nicea.
    Who is Constantine? Why was Jesus crucified? And Who told the Romans what Jesus was doing? Constantine was a Roman emperor and converted the Pagans to Christians. Jesus called himself king of Jewish (falsely made) and went to the passover feast. Judas Iscariot was asked by Jesus to tell the romans and got 30 pieces of silver for it.
    Who is Sarah? And What are the names of the missing gospels? Sarah means Mother of the True Faith and she is the daughter of Jesus and Mary Magdalene which means she is the heir to King David and King Solomon so her son would be the King of the Jews. The names of the missing Gospels are as follows Gospel of Jesus, Gospel of St. Thomas, and the ones that have been partially found are Mary Magdalene and Judas.
    So all of you Christians that is your faith lies and all.

  39. Matt says:

    Thanks for your opinion Spencer. It is duly noted. Now please, kindly, go and attack those Christians who are actively trying to keep you – as a person who isn’t a Christian – and me – as a gay man – from receiving the human rights we deserve.

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